Former WTO head Pascal Lamy on the EU’s China Choice:
Get a Rebalance, or Go Protectionist
He says Chinese
authorities’ lack of interest in addressing structural macroeconomic imbalance
a ‘huge problem’ for European Union
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Core Dilemma for Europe: Former WTO Director General Pascal Lamy states that the EU faces
a "moment of truth" with China regarding its massive, unsustainable
trade deficit (~€350 billion): either convince China to rebalance its
macroeconomic system, or the EU will be forced to adopt protectionist measures.
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The Root Problem (China's
Overcapacity & Subsidies): China's
industrial output is double its domestic consumption. Beijing's state-backed
industrial policy, heavy subsidies, and focus on self-sufficiency across
manufacturing and critical materials have created comparative advantages all
along the supply chain.
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WTO Shortcomings &
Past Mistakes: Lamy acknowledges that
while letting China into the WTO in 2001 was correct for global growth, the
West made a major mistake by failing to strengthen WTO rules on state support
and subsidies beforehand to prevent state-driven market distortions.
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Global Trade System
Pressures: Lamy categorizes global
trade challenges into three tiers:
o Small Problem (US): US
protectionist policies and tariffs under Donald Trump.
o Medium Problem (WTO): Structural
and organizational issues at the WTO, including lack of consensus on new rules
(like digital trade) and a non-functioning dispute-settlement system with the
US.
o Big Problem (China): Structural
macroeconomic imbalances, high savings rates, and overcapacity.
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EU's Current Strategy
(Plan A vs. Plan B):
o Plan A: Test China's willingness
through ongoing negotiations (including the October deadline and the Sefcovic
mission) to voluntarily rebalance trade and reduce exports.
o Plan B: Implement protectionist
measures (such as tariffs) if Beijing fails to address structural imbalances.
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What China Must Do: Lamy urges Beijing to boost domestic consumption, lower
household savings rates by strengthening social security/welfare, reduce
excessive manufacturing and export pushes, reform state-aid rules, and increase
direct investment in Europe.
[ABS News Service/21.092026]
Pascal Lamy served two consecutive terms as
director general of the World Trade Organization from 2005 to 2013. Before
that, he spent decades in various French government roles, contributing to the
building of the European Union. He was chief of staff to European Commission
president Jacques Delors from 1985 to 1994, and European trade commissioner
from 1999 to 2004.
Here, he discusses Europe’s trade tensions with
China, the continent’s growth potential problem and the WTO’s need for stronger
enforcement mechanisms.
In France, many have expressed doubts about the
future of free trade. Former finance minister Eric Lombard said last year that free trade is dead,
killed by the US and China. Do you agree?
No, free trade is not dead. And by the way, I never
ever use the expression “free trade”. I’ve been in this business for decades
now, and I’ve never used this expression, which is for one simple reason: it is
misleading. Trade is never free. It is either more or less open. Free trade is
not dead, it was never born.
The question is whether the previous decades we’ve
seen, which have consistently moved in the direction of more open trade – this
being evidenced by the growth of the volume of international trade – whether
this volume is still growing or not.
If you look at the numbers, which we have to do,
especially if we discuss trade, trade is still growing in volume. This means
that trade is more open than it used to be. But there is a catch: the growth of
international trade, at least benchmarked against the growth of the economy,
has slowed.
The slowdown can be attributed to many reasons.
Starting with the main factor, which is the fragmentation of production systems
that has led to the global supply chains that now span the world. The expansion
of the supply chain, the fragmentation of production, has limits. It is
efficient and productive at some stage, for some products in some conditions.
But we’ve probably reached a stage where the
efficiency gains stemming from the multi-localisation of production systems are
slowing, with decreasing yields, like any productivity curve. At some stage you
reach a level where economies of scale are less important than at the beginning
of the process.
Reason No 2 is that trade openness trends are now
counterbalanced by trade-restricting attitudes among a number of international
trade players, given the United States’ position and the huge growth of China’s
exports and surplus. There are also growing reactions in some places to the
expansion of international trade for social or environmental reasons. Its
growth is slowing because of various reasons, but overall, international trade
is still expanding.
So what, in your view, are the main problems facing
the global trade system?
As Europeans, we have three problems in global
trade today. A small one, a medium-sized one and a big one.
The small one is the US. The US has embarked on a protectionist crusade,
which stems from the deep belief by US President Donald Trump that tariffs are
the Swiss army knife of the 21st century economy, which is not so. The ones who
pay the price for that at the end of the day are US consumers. But even if he
makes a lot of noise about his attempt to de-globalise the planet, this will
not happen.
Then we have the medium-sized problem, which is that the World Trade
Organization, the international institutional engine for opening trade, is not
working in the way it used to work.
This is mainly a problem of organisation. The fact that the US de facto
left the WTO. The fact that although a new dispute-settlement system has
replaced the previous one, it does not work with the US. The fact that all
decisions, including on minor issues, are still taken by consensus, and that
the secretariat is not allowed to exercise its potential authority based on its
first-class expertise. And that third one, in my view, is the main reason.
The WTO has not been able to develop new trade-opening agreements in
areas where international trade has moved a lot – digital trade for instance,
which matters a lot for services – and we should always remember that
international trade is goods plus services, plus the invisible part of
international exchange trade today, which is about trillions of pieces of data.
Then we have a big problem, which is China, which is a problem for every
country. It’s a huge problem for us Europeans because we have a mega trade
deficit, growing in an unsustainable way. And for the European Union,
addressing this problem is a very tough task.
The main reason behind it is the macroeconomic imbalance of China, which
is structural, which Chinese authorities have not addressed, do not want to
address, although they’ve been saying for many years that Chinese growth should
be rebalanced – with more domestic consumption.
It is not happening, and we are in a situation where industry in China
produces twice as much as it consumes in industrial goods, hence the debate
about overcapacity.
China now has comparative advantages in most of the supply chains in
manufacturing. Not yet in agriculture, and not yet in services. But I believe
China wants to get there, following a policy developed by the Chinese
government, mostly since 2010.
China already has plans to make itself self-sufficient in food – why not
in services too later? Because of the strategic concept that China has to
become more self-reliant. In energy, in manufacturing, in technology, China
has, so far, been formidably efficient in constructing self-sufficiency; other
sectors will come.
This is a major systemic problem, because trade opening has always been
based on the theory of comparative advantage. I do something better than you
do. You do something better than I do. We have a rational interest to trade,
which is, by the way, the philosophical basement of the WTO.
The WTO is built with the mission of promoting open trade because
opening trade is a good way to create growth and welfare, because it is based
on the efficiencies stemming from the exchange of comparative advantage, the
international division of labour.
This game seems to be over with China today. China has gained
comparative advantages all along the industrial production chain for various
reasons. Some of which are legitimate. They have a huge market. They have a
formidable education capacity, and this is something where they have built
their own comparative advantage, and they have a political regime that allows a
level of strategisation, coordination, multilayered
intervention, which is incredibly efficient.
This has a lot to do with the political regime, and this is something,
of course, that we Europeans would hesitate to emulate for a variety of
reasons. China also uses its state-owned sector, its state-owned banks, its
budget to heavily subsidise sectors – which is not in the spirit of a fair
international division of labour – benefiting from the fact that WTO
disciplines on subsidies, state support and state ownership, have remained very
weak.
This is the situation we Europeans now have to face. It’s not just a bit
different from what it was before, where maybe we could adjust the recipes here
and there with a bit more or a bit less of anti-dumping or countervailing
duties. The size of the deficit is now out of reach of the normal instruments
which the WTO provides to regulate trade and absorb import shocks. With China
trade dynamics, we are entering a new world, a new paradigm, which opens a lot
of questions about WTO disciplines.
The French government’s high commission for strategy and planning has
called for 30 per cent tariffs on all Chinese imports, and Paris and Berlin
have expressed a desire for fast measures rather
than long WTO-style investigations. Is China right that the EU is turning
protectionist, and would Brussels be better off saying so openly, telling
Beijing it has no choice if it wants to keep its industry?
You are absolutely right, we Europeans are
reaching a moment of truth with trade and China. Either we can convince China
to rebalance the system and decrease its exports or we will have to go
protectionist. Let’s test the willingness of China to seriously address the
problem. This is the first option and in my view, the
good option, provided China shows signals that it is ready to address the
problem. This is Plan A. We need a Plan A, but we also need a Plan B.

Some in the US
argue it was a mistake to let China into the WTO. You were the one who closed
the EU’s bilateral accession deal in Beijing in May 2000. With hindsight, was
the mistake letting China in, or was it what the West failed to write into the
terms? Would you sign the same text today?
Yes and no. I think
letting China into the WTO was the right thing to do precisely because it
brought about an exchange of comparative advantage, and China wanted to join
the WTO to benefit from an insurance policy against export restrictions. China
paid a high price for subscribing to this insurance in opening its economy.
China opened its
economy as a developing country, roughly three times more than its developing
country equivalents at the time and more than Russia 10 years later. The
maximum tariff China accepted on goods was 10 per cent.
China made a big
effort, which led to a big divide within the Chinese leadership: between those
who said [former paramount leader] Deng Xiaoping was right, we have to open to
better combine Chinese characteristics and Western characteristics, and this is
the way to go to grow China more rapidly, represented by [former premier] Zhu
Rongji.
And then there was
another camp, more conservative within the leadership, that thought that
opening trade with Western countries might make China more vulnerable. The
first camp won and China opened its economy, which became very profitable for
the rest of the world during the next 10 years.
There was an end to
that, which roughly coincided with the aftermath of the 2008 crisis, where the
Chinese government switched back to a more ideological approach.
Self-sufficiency became the new strategic priority to reach total strategic
autonomy in the future.
The Chinese economy
was, from then on, run on a geopolitical basis, not on a geoeconomic basis.
China then pushed, very successfully, to go from low-wage value addition, which
was a comparative advantage 25 years ago, to where China is now, competing with
the US on the frontiers of technology.
To answer your
question, we were right to let China in, and we were wrong not to reinforce the
WTO’s rules on subsidisation and state support before China entered. The reason
we did not do that – “we” being the big shots at the time: the US, EU and Japan
– was we thought that we might end up restricting our ability to support our
champions such as Airbus or Boeing, or Japan’s programmes to foster innovation.
We were subsidising
a small part of our economy, and we mistakenly remained defensive. We did not
forecast how large a part of the Chinese economy would remain de facto under
state control and support. Or the importance of the state-owned sector, which had
actually shrunk in the first 10 years after China joined the WTO and then grew
again from 2010 on.
We did one thing
right, which was letting China in, which benefited everybody for quite a bit of
time, but we did not properly identify the risk that China’s state-owned system
would drive the economy in such an efficient way, including in subsidising a strategic
industry heavily at the beginning, then creating a lot of competition. The best
example is what we see in electric vehicles, which were heavily subsidised at
the start, and now there’s cutthroat competition within China until the system
stabilises with maybe a handful of surviving producers.
How do you see the
current EU-China negotiations, with Brussels demanding
“tangible progress” by October? Can both sides still avoid a trade war? Some argue China and the EU are
already in one. Do you agree?
First of all, I
don’t think we should use the word “war” about trade. I’m talking to you from
Ukraine, I was a naval officer in my youth. I know the meaning of the word
“war”, and we shouldn’t use it lightly.
We have trade
frictions, we have trade disputes, we have trade tensions. There are trade
tensions between China and the US. There are trade tensions between the US and
Canada that were triggered by Trump because he thinks Canada should become a
new US state. We have trade tensions between the EU and China, which stem from
the fact that we have such a huge and growing deficit with China.
The European Union
today still has a trade surplus as a whole. What does this mean? This means
that, overall, the EU, in what is traded today, can compete with the rest of
the world. We have a trade surplus vis-a-vis the US. We have a trade surplus
with many of our trade partners, except with China. If you remove €350 billion
(US$407 billion) of trade deficit between the EU and China, we have a big trade
surplus, which means that we are competitive with anybody on this planet except
China.
Now there are
reasons for that, which I can totally understand. It stems from what I describe
as Chinese organisation: they’ve been extremely good at gaining a comparative
advantage all along the supply chain, including, for instance, in critical
materials, which is extremely important for electrification and the economy.
Of course, China
did not do it for the pleasure of doing it. China built a comparative advantage
in critical materials because China wanted to electrify, and the reason China
wanted to electrify was that it wanted to be less dependent on oil or coal or gas
imports.
It’s not because
China suddenly became a believer in the necessity to reduce emissions –
although I’m happy that China is doing this. China built the comparative
advantage in rare earths to become less dependent on fossil fuel imports. They
built this control, which now gives them a monopoly that they can weaponise.
We Europeans have
to try to convince China that it is in their interest, as it is in our
interest, to reduce our trade deficit massively, not just by €10 billion or €20
billion. We have a €350 billion trade deficit, and this cannot be addressed by
a little bit of this or a little bit of that. The problem is the magnitude of
the problem.
Either we can
convince China to address this problem, which will need a lot of unilateral
market power exercised by the Chinese side to export less, or we will have to
look for other options. I hope we do not have to do this. I interpret the Sefcovic mission [aimed at rebalancing trade]
and the time between now and the October deadline as a test of whether China is
serious about addressing this or not.
As usual, the EU
gave priority to negotiation, consultation, discussion. We are not the US, and
nobody wants to play Trump on the EU side, we are not brutal. We try to
understand problems. We try to address this peacefully, respectfully and
through negotiation. But if that does not work, we have to look at other
options.
Europe says it
wants to be neither dependent on the US nor overwhelmed by China. Is a third
position actually available, or does reducing exposure to one side mean
aligning with the other?
Solving this issue
will not, by itself, solve Europe’s No 1 problem, which is growth. The EU’s
growth potential is half of that of the US, one-third that of China and
one-quarter that of India. This is a worrying situation, and one we will have
to work hard on to improve our competitiveness. But becoming more competitive
will not solve our China trade problem, given its magnitude and the threat it
represents to the survival of some of our production systems.
How did we get
here, to this level of trade imbalance? Is that a story about Chinese
competitiveness or industrial policy?
It is overall
competitiveness, all along the supply chain, which leads to this. If you have a
competitive advantage all along the supply chain, there is no more fair trade.
You are absolutely right, this is the result of Chinese competitiveness.
Chinese
competitiveness has various sources, which I mentioned: the size of the market,
the organisation of the state and its capacity to subsidise efficiently. It’s
not just subsidising, because you can subsidise inefficiently too. The Chinese
system has learned to use subsidising efficiently, giving the industrial policy
a coherent logic: what strategic priorities, what the state does, in which
sector, what the regions do and what the municipalities do. There is a lot of
competition within. It’s a formidable mix of non-competition, which is the
state, and competition, which is a part of the economy.
What would China
have to do to prove that it is a defender of multilateralism and free trade?
Beef up domestic
consumption. Stop pushing, pushing and pushing for increasing manufacturing,
which is way beyond the consumption capacity of Chinese consumers. Chinese
households have a saving rate that is way too high, coming from the fact that
they want to hedge against old age, children’s education spending, pensions and
so on, so China also needs to create somewhat of a welfare state.
Secondly, import
more, export and subsidise less. Or in the case of subsidies, renegotiating the
WTO rules on subsidies – what we in the EU call “state aids” – to level the
playing field, which is now heavily unbalanced in the subsidisation capacity
between China and Europe. And convince China to invest more in Europe in areas
where tech transfers and ownership arrangements are doable, which was China’s
position 30 years ago. Boosting Chinese investment in Europe is, in my view,
part of the solution.